(Frank) We’re back. I think we’ve straightened up now, maybe. (Deb) Okay, no more about pigs, all right, nothing else about pigs. Except we raised pigs, we had little pigs, they are the cutest little things you’ve ever seen. All right, so Frank and I have talked about a lot of fun things on this show and have been able to share the accomplishments of your friends and relatives and people who pay you to share their news and all that good stuff. My good friend Paul Hutton, who is an amazing historian, and if you’ve ever watched the History Channel at all, you have seen Paul because he’s on a lot, everything they do has to have him in it. So Paul has a new book on the Apache Wars. It is incredible, I cannot tell you how good this book is. If you know nothing it’s a great book. If you know everything it’s a great book. It just illuminates this whole period of history and the personalities and of course we did a segment when I was staying in Las Cruces, New Mexico, last fall for the Order of the Indians Wars meeting down there, Paul was there, we toured a lot of that country. There’s a lot of Kansas connections because of course the forts where a lot of this stuff was, was coming out of Leavenworth, it still you know, rules the West. No matter what is happening in the West, there’s some connection to Leavenworth at any point in time. So lots and lots of connections there. We’re just going to take a closer look at Paul and this wonderful book, and a lot of the personalities and names that you’ve heard of and it’s really cool. (Frank) You didn’t bring the book so I could hold it up. (Deb) Sorry. They called him Mickey Free. His kidnapping started the longest war in American history, and both sides – the Apaches and the white invaders – blamed him for it, according to historian Paul Andrew Hutton in his latest work, The Apache Wars: The Hunt for Geronimo, The Apache Kid, and the Captive Boy Who Started the Longest War in American History. Mickey Free was a mixed-blood warrior who moved uneasily between the worlds of the Apaches and the American soldiers; he was never trusted by either but desperately needed by both. He was the only man Geronimo ever feared. He played a pivotal role in this long war for the desert Southwest from its beginning in 1861 until its end in 1890 with his pursuit of the renegade scout, Apache Kid. In this sprawling, monumental work, Paul Andrew Hutton unfolds over two decades of the last war for the West through the eyes of the men and women who lived it. This is Mickey Free’s story, but also the story of his contemporaries: the great Apache leaders Mangas Coloradas, Cochise, and Victorio; the soldiers Kit Carson, O. O. Howard, George Crook, and Nelson Miles; the scouts and frontiersmen Al Sieber, Tom Horn, Tom Jeffords, and Texas John Slaughter; the great White Mountain scout Alchesay and the Apache female warrior Lozen; the fierce Apache warrior Geronimo; and the Apache Kid. These lives shaped the violent history of the deserts and mountains of the Southwestern borderlands, a bleak and unforgiving world where a people would make a final, bloody stand against an American war machine bent on their destruction. Paul is an American cultural historian, author, documentary writer, and television personality. He is also a professor of History at the University of New Mexico, a former Executive Director of the Western History Association and former President of the Western Writers of America. His research on Billy the Kid led to his consulting on the film, Young Guns, and landed his involvement in numerous TV productions. Paul is truly a bridge between the academics of western history and the public audience hungry for those stories. This latest work on the Apache Wars and the personalities involved will open an entire world to those unfamiliar with the story, and illuminate that world for those who are.